What follows is a transcript from Andy''s video, which you can watch here: https://youtu.be/Ueie5Wy6RsQ
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Hi, I'm Andy, and it took me a long time to get that name, but it was actually a name I used to call myself when I was a kid and I used to record myself, you know, on cassettes and you put them in and you record off the radio and you'd like talk in between and introduce.That's how I used to play, and I used to call myself, Andy.
So that's how I ended up getting my name. And I use he/him pronouns. That was
also a little bit of a journey to get to that point as well.
And I'm a social worker and I work locally out here in beautiful
Workwith, Ontario. So I remember something that stood out to me, and it was
when we end up going and talking to your doctor, or in my case, it's a nurse
practitioner, they ask you, like, how did it all start and tell me your trans
journey?
And I remember being in like grade two or three pretty
young, and there was someone who came and presented to the gym and the entire
class of the entire school actually was there. And at some point, they had
pointed out to me because I had my hand up and they said, the boy in the purple
shirt. And everyone started to laugh. And tease me because they knew who I was,
and I was the little girl with short hair and had to beg my parents to get that
haircut, something that I really wanted. But that always stuck. It stuck out to
me; the boy in the purple shirt, and it's enough for me to think about it now
and for it to stick with me. I always thought there was something there, and I
remember a little bit later on that year, my mom decided to paint my walls
pink.
And she, I don't know if she was sensing things, just trying
to keep things pink and put your girl in little dresses and make sure that you
know they're following along, like all the other little girls. But I got black
paint and I put all over my hands and I decorated the walls to let her know how
I felt about her choosing pink for me. So very strong willed, I think, at a
young age. And sorry, mom. So I think they had the paint over that or made me.
Maybe they made me paint over it.
I went to Catholic school, and I didn't have very many
examples of people around me who were from the LGBT family. It wasn't really
talked about very much. I had to go outside. Internet was a big thing, you
know, ICQ and all that good stuff when we were younger and messenger. And so I started
talking to people in other areas.
And I met my partner, who was from Oshawa, and she was going
to be going to a dance in Toronto, the buddies in bad times. It was a boys and
boys and girls and girls dance. And so that was the first time we were 17 or
18, and then we dated for a little bit.
We dated twice, but my partner, she was just coming out
herself and interested in lots of girls, and I think girls were interested in
her and I can hear her laughing on the side because she probably doesn't want me
to tell you. But she dated a few different people and I think I was young, but
I wanted to just have one partner and I wanted it to be her. And so I broke up
with her twice and then we went and we both married different people.
We had a great time with both persons. We learned a lot of
different things and learned how to be good people and better partners to one
another. So I thank my last partner for everything that she taught me and so
then I was just looking for someone to be friends with, and I needed to learn
how to crochet, so I put a post on Facebook and I said, Hey, is there anyone
willing to teach me to crochet?
And so she messaged me and said I'd love to and came over.
And I think she had other things in mind, but I was innocent. And in all that,
of course, she came over. And it was history from there.
So that sort of started. I guess I went through being a
lesbian phase, feeling I was a woman and it wasn't until I was maybe 32 that I
went to her and I said, Listen, I think I'm a man and I don't know how you're
going to take this. But she answered with such positivity and support and
willing to listen and like, Oh well, you could try this or you could go on
hormones or you could do this. And just knowing that there were some options,
opened up, like a whole new world to me.
I felt relief. I felt just in my mind, a little bit of peace
and like, Oh my God, there's an opportunity that I can be who I am on the
inside that little boy in the purple shirt.
So I think some of the challenges are... A lot more came
from coming out to family. And I've had some really supportive, strong people.
And I've heard some people really question it and ask awful questions that you
wouldn't want to be asked. And people that you wanted to be there to support
you and just say, OK, where do we go from here?
And I've been told that I'm going to get beat up in the
bathroom and maybe killed. People are worried. They're worried for me. But it's
been a challenge.
I think some people have said, like, why would you want to
be a man? It's the worst thing in the world.
And it's not a choice. It's not. I've had so many
conversations about it. So it's challenging just getting self-affirmation. But
it's really funny because we have a foster daughter who lives with us. And when
she first came, that was when I was starting to transition.
I think it was like October when I started my hormones, and
she came in November. So I thought, OK, I'm going to have to have a
conversation with this kid. She's going to see me start growing facial hair.
You know, I wear different, not feminine clothes. And what
is she going to think? Is she going to be embarrassed? Is she going to accept
me all those fun things? And so I got to happen at the same time that we're
also creating an identity of who we were as parents.
So, it was an interesting time. Everything was combined.
Some of it, like I've been up against oppression and felt
oppressed when Danielle and I applied for an apartment, and we got told we
didn't get the apartment because we had bad credit and we both have excellent
credit. So it was obvious to me that we both showed up - I think I was looking
pretty butch at the time and they just didn't want people like us there.
So, there's been things like that. But when I get to a
bathroom at this point because I'm I feel I'm pretty newly transitioning, I
feel like how boy do I have to look today to go into the men's bathroom versus,
OK, if I'm in there is really busy or a lot of women going to see me? If my
mask is covering, you know, based on what I'm wearing, what where do I fit that
day?
It's a struggle. I'm hoping that that becomes clearer and
clearer. The more I feel like myself is matching with my outside physical
appearance. But I'm a social worker, so my whole thing is you got to enjoy the
journey. And this is who I am today, and that's OK. So.
So, this is Daniel.
We've been together now for eight years. Soon to be wife, I
hope one day, well, we'll see, but I think we've passed the, what is it like a three-year
mark normally?
[Danielle] Common Law.
[Andy] Wow.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] So, so Danielle is a nurse and she's been an integral
part of my life since I was very young and then we stayed friends. We stayed
friends for a good while, we were off being married and doing all that kind of
stuff.
And so, you've always been there. And I was always in love
with her. I just wanted to be with me and nobody else.
[Danielle] Yeah. You know, I remember quite clearly, we were
we were living in Hamilton, and Andy had just come back from training and
focusing providers, medical providers about trans care and had to be inclusive.
And Andy, I remember Andy came in and he was just pale and didn't look good.
And I said, you know, is everything OK? And he said, I think
I'm trans, and I said, I kind of figured that before. But like, you know, that
doesn't change anything. And I think that was Andy's worry is, how is that
going to change our relationship?
You know, me identifying at that time as a lesbian in a
lesbian relationship, how does that change the dynamics of things? And like to
me, it's, you know, gender is a social construct, and you know, it's not about,
you know, that, you know, I love Andy because of Andy. And I, you know, Andy is
trans and I kind of, you know, always knew that, and always loved that about
Andy.
And yeah.
[Andy] My cheeks go red sometimes.
Yeah, we I think we had a big conversation about going from
a lesbian relationship to a CIS relationship. And I also wonder, you know, your
sexuality like I wasn't trying to change you in my decision.
And then you came out and you told me that you were what.
[Danielle] I identify as non-binary. I never fit into any of
the gender roles.
[Andy] But not as a pansexual. You told them.
[Danielle] Yeah, I put my attractiveness to a person is not
to a gender. I don't believe that you can be attracted just to the gender.
[Andy] So it's like I hit the jackpot.
[Danielle] You know, it's...
[Andy] For me, I think I was even counseling someone at this
point too who was coming out. Someone who didn't want to lose their partner and
said I'd rather keep my partner than come out because that's more important to
me, and that's sort of how I felt. So Danielle had to be OK with that and took
a long time to tell her, and now I feel like I'm taking away her lesbian pride.
Like. Are we not part of that same? Like, all your friends
are lesbians. You know you're in a different sort of status now, right?
[Danielle] It's kind of a strange position to be in because,
you know, for most of my life, I was very butch. I had my hair shaved.
[Andy] Oh, Danielle was the one. Yeah.
[Danielle] I was definitely. And then we've our roles have
kind of changed our relationship where, you know, I grew my hair out and he cut
his hair off.
[Andy] Danielle cuts my hair for COVID. She gave me this
beautiful hawk. Yes, it's my first mohawk.
[Danielle] So you know, you're not visibly queer anymore. I
guess is the thing is that you kind of so you think, where do I fit into the...
I don't really fit into the lesbian or the queer visually, you know, I still
definitely feel like I fit in into that.
[Andy] See, I still think people see me as female when I
walk around.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy]So I don't feel like... I think you're still visible
at this point. I wear a lot of colorful stuff.
[Danielle] Yeah, it's you know, it's. I think it is what it
is, but one day though, right?
[Andy] Yeah, one day I think it's going to be very, very
different. I'm going to stick with this and I'm going to go full beard and
lumberjack it up, I think.
[Danielle] Well, maybe it's hard because you've kind of gone
through most of your visible transition during COVID.
[Andy] Many people who come to me and do the, you know,
think I'm a man or and then say sir and then say, sorry, they look at me and
they get confused. And yeah, I get a lot of sirs at first, I think and then
they look at me and then they second guess it and they apologize. So that's
been happening quite a bit. Your family and my friends and like people who have
known me and my dead named transitioning to Andy, and he him, I think, has been
a challenge for some people.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] I was really lucky. I was working at a place that
there was someone who was non-binary and I remember it being a transition for
me. And then even in myself calling myself Andy all the time, like I went
through a transition with it as well.
And so I try not to. I don't react to people as much. I
think if it doesn't, if it happens, I hear it. I definitely hear it and it, but
I just glad to be here.
[Danielle] I think you take on that teacher role. I think
that's who you are. And, you know, formally being a teacher, I think you still
have those qualities where you want to teach people.
[Andy] Sometimes they also say something that.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] I feel, yeah, I feel like I'm. Trying to make it easy
for people as well, but I shouldn't like everyone's like, you don't have to
tell your story to everyone and teach the world like, that's not my job. I
shouldn't have to stop it because that's a lot to take on. But yeah, lately I
think I just... People will realize it themselves, and that'll be a bigger
teacher because they'll feel embarrassed and they'll be like, Oh, next time
I'll do that.
[Danielle] I haven't seen you happier.
[Andy] Really?
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] Yeah?
[Danielle] I think in terms of your mental health, it's
definitely been.
[Andy] Yeah, I.
[Danielle] I Don't know what.
[Andy] Yeah.
I struggled from when I was a little kid. Like, we came from
a lower socioeconomic upbringing. I'd say. Like my parents were, blue collared
workers, is what you call them? And life was, you had what you needed, always.
But it wasn't always the nice fancy things that everyone else in class had. And
so it was rougher.
It was it was harder. And I think around 17 or 18 and coming
out, I struggled with my identity. I struggled with the sexuality and a poor
girl, I had slept with a girl for the first time, and I think a week later
ended up in the hospital and she thought it was totally her. And it wasn't. But
I just, I did a lot of years of counseling to help, and I'm in a really good
place right now. And I think that it evened things out better, like everyone
struggles with their own mental health and, you know, just feeling more
balanced within the day starting hormones, I didn't expect that to happen. Just
calmer. Peace, peaceful, right?
So we've had a we've had a struggle with family life, and I
can see Danielle sort of welling up a little bit to like your eyes got glassy.
We have always wanted to have children, both of us and quite
quickly in a relationship, I think realized that we'd be great parents and had
good skill set that we could share and tried a lot of routes like we went the
fertility route. And we were both. We both struggled with weight at that time
where Daniel's lost 50lb in COVID. She's doing excellent. But, you know, we
both had a hard time getting pregnant and then we thought, you know, do we?
We're trying to work out. But like, is there anything we can do in terms of maybe
adopting or fostering?
Are you open to that? And we decided we were both, it didn't
have to be our biological child. We just had a lot of love to give to a child
that needed it. And so we decided to become adopt, adopt ready parents. We have
to do pride training for that. That's what they call it. I always thought it
was special. Must be for us. And we waited how many years?
[Danielle] Four years.
[Andy] Four years, being ready and everything approved and
the ups and downs of like you go to these events where they put kids profiles
out on tables. And it's like a meat market of places that you can; OK, I'm
interested in that one. And then you're fighting with someone behind you.
You're like, No, I'm going to be a better parent with that one because we're
doctors.
I mean. It was a horrible experience, so we finally got
matched to one. And then right before they were supposed to start visits with
us, I guess we got told that the foster parent wanted to keep the child and
they thought that was a better fit, so it didn't upset the attachment.
And we grieved that because we knew the whole story. We knew
what to expect. We were we were ready and it was a loss, a big loss. And then
we thought, OK, do we keep waiting? We're getting older. Like.
You know, I'm starting to get gray hairs now. Things are
happening like that. And we thought, Well, why don't we foster? If we foster,
maybe we'll have an opportunity to... Then if a child becomes available, then
have them come permanently into our home, right?
[Danielle] And I think it was important that we were upfront
with them right away, that you were trans and this was our family. And you
know, you know, are they going to be accepting of that? Or, you know.
[Andy] That's what will fit. Yeah, we couldn't have it with
a kid that didn't.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] Yeah.
But kids are like sponges. They just eat up what you tell
them. And like, she started asking me, Why do you wear boys clothes? So we
ended up fostering, by the way. So we have our foster child now.
And she's like, Yeah, why? Why is your hair like that? Why
do you wish? I kept wondering where I was wearing certain clothes out to
places. And so we talked to her and I said, You know, like, this is how I feel
most comfortable.
This is who I am and how I want to express myself. And I
hope you want me to feel comfortable and happy to do that. And she was like, Of
course.
[Danielle] And I think even before we had told her or kind
of explained it to her about Andy being trans, she right away asked Andy,
"Can I call you, dad? Is it OK if you can be my Dad,
[Andy] Oh. Melted my heart.
[Danielle] And this was pretty early on when she was here.
And yeah. So, you know, I think, you know, kids know a lot more than they can
pick up on things.
[Andy] And she, on Father's Day, she wrote me, drew me a
little picture, and she can barely spell like she's challenged in her spelling,
but she can affirm my gender. She gave me like little stubble and a mustache
and like, amazing.
You know, what more can you ask for? So I'm going to hold on
to that picture forever, I think.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] That's good because I was nervous. I didn't know how
she would take it.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy]And yeah, she's been pretty. She's been pretty
amazing. I feel I feel awkward going to her Catholic school sometimes.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] Do you?
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] And just all the other parents, I'm like, Oh, that's
the kid. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if they do that, but I think about
that.
[Danielle] Yeah, we worry about those kind of things. So
especially in a Christian organization that is not too accepting of...
[Andy] Well, they won't put the flags on. Yeah.
Yeah.
So with every new foster, you don't get a choice as to where
the child goes because there was a really nice school right around the corner
that she could have gone to.
But so we'll see.
We just found out today, actually, that she might be leaving
us like, right before you came, we got a letter. It's a possibility we're going
to we're going to find out. So we're in a limbo. So our hearts have been
flipped turned.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] Excitement. She's coming. I remember waiting at the
door the day she was coming on, staring out the window. You couldn't get me
away from the door. I was so excited.
[Danielle] Yeah, that's what it is, right?
[Andy] Yeah.
[Danielle] So we have family in a in a different way, and
it's it's not the traditional way that we experience family or the schema that
you were brought up with.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] And I think that was the trouble to like when I tried
to take a leave from work and met with some trouble there and being told that
like, we weren't parents like they quoted you or not, parents, you do not get
leave.
So challenges, that was a that was a big challenge.
[Danielle] Yes.
[Andy] Come to think of it.
[Danielle] Being treated differently, like you're going off
on the sleeve to take care of a child. And you know everybody else when they
were going off in that leave or, you know, oh, got a present, and a party and
then you were kind of there was a meeting planned right at the end and you
thought, Oh.
[Andy] Yeah, there was a meeting, and I thought everyone was
going to be there because it was online. COVID had started. And it was just my
boss checking in on how much work I did that day.
[Danielle] And that disappointment that, you know, a week
earlier, someone went off on that leave and got this whole big party.
[Andy] I donated to that. Not the not that I needed to
present. I don't mean that, but it's the whole. When you're a manager, you're
fair to everyone and you include. So I felt very othered. And then being told
that I couldn't have the leave. And then it was like October. Like I asked
before she had come to our home and it wasn't until February when I got
approval to be off for 35 weeks.
So they felt like it took months and months. So think of
every day not knowing if you have to go back to work or like what's going to
happen with your kid or how are you going to? Now you've got to get child care.
It was like very hectic and like, emotionally draining.
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] Um.
And then, yeah, just now being asked if we're interested in
putting forth any intent to adopt that puts us in a totally different. It's a
fine line from the government's through the ESA. And if you don't cross that
border exactly this boundary, you get all the. But that's what I said to them,
like, this is how we have our family. This is how we tried to expand our family
in other ways, and this is how we have to do it. And I need to leave to attach
with my child and they wouldn't give it to me. It was a fight.
That was a challenge. And so you would expect them to be
treating their employees. I think with more respect with the laws that are out
there, the Legislature that's out there created by the same body, and I felt
not treated that way too.
And I think because I was just about to go on a transition
like start my transition and I thought I can either go off on a leave medical
leave because I didn't want to be in a place that I didn't feel comfortable.
Like it wasn't talked about compared to my other social work
agencies that I worked at.
[Danielle] Which were very queer positive.
[Andy] Yeah, and they, you know, you go round the table at a
meeting and you introduce your pronouns, and that was the way of things, but it
was not like that at all. And so I didn't feel safe.
You know, just being on a team without some discussion and
some. So I thought OK, I'll either take a leave or choose the parental leave.
And I talked to my union and they felt that it was better to take the parental
leave. But then it was like, No, you can't have it. And then they said, Oh,
you're already on this because I had started.
I said, I have to be off this stay. The child's coming into
my home. Special needs, you know, I have to be there.
I think the great thing about our futures is that we know
it'll be together because we both enjoy the same things. We're very outdoorsy
and nature, and that's why we wanted to live in a home with trees surrounding
it and be able to have animals like your little puppy that you had a whole park
if put her down and have the chickens, really love doing that. But I think just
being somewhere where there's places to kayak. I think a house like you make
the home wherever you go.
We'll be here for a few years. We have something that is
strong, found a house. We lived in Hamilton, I guess, was our first house and
moved here and bought something that was half done. So we've been putting
little bits and little bits into it and building it.
It's sort of a... Do you feel like.
[Danielle] Block by block.
[Andy] Block by block. But like each project we do, do you
feel more affinity towards the house and the land and just being here?
[Danielle] Yeah. We're in a very supportive community. So
you know, we're very privileged to be where we are today.
[Andy] I think coming from such a hard place. Going through,
you know, coming out as being gay and not being accepted right away and
fighting for that. And then, yeah, I think a lot of people just thought I was
nutty. Because I was dealing with, you know, being OK and finding that identity
within myself. It's a it's like going into a cave and then you get to the back
of the cave and there's a little crack and you go through the crack and it
opens up into another cave.
And I just, it took me a little longer than most people. I
guess I feel old doing this by, you know, by the time I'm fully transitioned
and feeling myself, I think I'll probably be bald and part of it, right?
I think we've come up with like a whole bunch of advice that
we'd give others in terms of thinking, you know, just get talking to someone
and sharing and not holding things in. I mean, you've got to be ready because
let's face it, there's still real true things that can be done to you and consequences.
So you want to be safe and make sure it's a safe person, but get talking to
those people and realizing that there's others out there that you're part of
the community.
It was really great about this project because when I was
introduced to it and I started watching videos, there was two or three people
that I've come in contact with. I used to work with Heidi and Peterborough, and
I know Cash. And so it's great to feel like I'm part of a community and
everything I've been a part of, I know it's not the best place, but there's
little Facebook groups that you can join and people, any time you need
something, they're there for you. So it'd be great to get connected and feel
supported. You told me I don't have to be anywhere yet. Like, I felt like I
wasn't male. I wasn't female. I didn't fit this box or that box. And you said,
like, why does there have to be a box?
[Danielle] Yeah.
[Andy] And not, you know, pushing yourself to fit into that
yet.
[Danielle] I think your personality is very black and white
and you struggle with the gray. Yeah.
[Andy] Trying to find the gray?
Yeah. Well. There is such a thing as non-binary. Is that
right in the middle in terms of all that stuff?
My trans journey gets better with every step, every day, and every moment. To the place that I want to be. And I just. Want to encourage others to take those steps and walk, to move. Don't stay stagnant. There's great things out there.
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